Virginia Tech: The Inevitable, Ghoulish, Theofascist Response
The first thing I did when I saw the news of the Virginia Tech massacre was to start making this picture of Ken Ham.

The way Ken Ham makes himself appear
I suspected immediately that Ken Ham would be prattling out some twisted, inductively weak, unfalsifiable theory about why the Virginia Tech massacre happened and I needed something to take my mind off of the killings for a bit (see, Ken Ham is good for something at least).
After a while though (I made the pic over a couple of days) I slowed down and decided to consider if I was going to go ahead and publish it. By that time Ken Ham had made a response, confirming my suspicions, but still I wondered if it was too soon to release something like this.
I took the time to consider my criticism of others’ explanations (and have obviously chosen to go ahead) and I haven’t even got around to expressing my views on the Virginia Tech massacre. Conversely however, Ken Ham, and a host of others took little time in exploiting the victims of Cho Seung-Hui for their own sinister political purposes.
Let’s start with Ken Ham…
Ham
It was Arthur who first drew my attention to the remarks by Ken Ham, exploiting the victims of the Virginia Tech massacre. This was no surprise given his exploitation of the death of Steve Irwin to sermonize us all with a “Steve Irwin is in Hell” post (I’ll link to a copy as soon as Answers in Genesis put it back up, or I can find an archived copy).
This is part of what Ken Ham had to say (by way of Dispatches, as Answers in Genesis is giving me 404s this morning);
“We live in an era when public high schools and colleges have all but banned God from science classes. In these classrooms, students are taught that the whole universe, including plants and animals–and humans–arose by natural processes. Naturalism (in essence, atheism) has become the religion of the day and has become the foundation of the education system (and Western culture as a whole). The more such a philosophy permeates the culture, the more we would expect to see a sense of purposelessness and hopelessness that pervades people’s thinking. In fact, the more a culture allows the killing of the unborn, the more we will see people treating life in general as “cheap.”“
God banned from the science class? If it’s a public school, it shouldn’t be proselytizing anyway. They are taught about natural processes? Gee, how awful? Is that atheism? No. Ham is talking crap. Neither Methodist nor Catholic doctrine (just for starters) have a problem with these natural processes. Evolution (etc) does not equal atheism.
In any case, atheism doesn’t lead to a purposeless life. I don’t need a God (or a Christian) to tell me that killing innocent people is wrong. Utililitarianism tells me that. I (and other atheists) can reason meaning and determine the purpose of our own lives. Ken Ham is flat out wrong. Purposelessness by way of atheism is a non-sequitur.
And as for killing of the unborn; killing a pre-sentient amalgam of unfeeling flesh doesn’t count as killing a person. Ham is remiss to compare this to the Virginia Tech killings. He is remiss to exploit the dead in his quest for extremist Christian hegemony (at the expense of democracy I may add).
Ken, you no doubt disgust sensible, honest people.
Ken’s not the only one though.
D’Souza
Dinesh D’Souza is at it as well with this crap;
“Notice something interesting about the aftermath of the Virginia Tech shootings? Atheists are nowhere to be found.“
(D’Souza, 2007)
Next time I go to a funeral, I’ll be sure to wear a big neon sign saying “ATHEIST” above my head. In my experience, when turning up to funerals, I get on pretty well with people that I have never met before, or barely even know. When they are Christians, they almost inevitably think me one of their own (mainly because I’m nice to them.) D’Souza needs to wake up and realise that just because he can’t see the atheists, that doesn’t mean that they aren’t there.
But he goes further;
“To no one’s surprise, Dawkins has not been invited to speak to the grieving Virginia Tech community. What this tells me is that if it’s difficult to know where God is when bad things happen, it is even more difficult for atheism to deal with the problem of evil. The reason is that in a purely materialist universe, immaterial things like good and evil and souls simply do not exist.“
(D’Souza, 2007)
What this should tell D’Souza is that people not having a relationship to the aggrieved tend not to turn up at funerals. When I die, D’Souza won’t be invited to my funeral, but that in no way reflects upon Christendom. Like Ham, D’Souza simply criticises what he doesn’t understand; that in a naturalistic universe (recognized not just by atheists), concepts of good and evil are constructed by humans.
Heck, look at it this way; secularism has no material existence. According to Ham and D’Souza’s twisted attempt at logic, atheists should be incapable of believing in secularism.
That D’Souza exploits the victims as does Ham, is contemptible. He doesn’t sledge schools and medicine directly though, he just attacks modern science
“If this is the best that modern science has to offer us, I think we need something more than modern science.“
(D’Souza, 2007)
Well this is just silly. For a start, both theist and atheist alike have more than just science at their disposal. Also, the “people being just molecules” argument that D’Souza posits as Dawkin’s is far more reductionist than Dawkin’s own (D’Souza is playing the strawman tactic). Their are implications of the ways that these molecules behave; we don’t need a supernatural evil to explain depression when we have explanations such as serotonin deficiency (quite likely in the case of Cho Seung-Hui).
Somehow, I don’t think using the victims at Virginia Tech as fodder in a campaign against science (a good deal of which is taught at Virginia Tech) is going to go down too well.
Gingrich
D’Souza isn’t where the Ghoulish exploitation of the victims ends;
“..if you look at the fact that we refuse to say that we are, in fact, endowed by our creator, that our rights come from God, that if you kill somebody, you’re committing an act of evil...”
(Newt Gingrich on ABC’s “This Week”, 2007)
This in response to a reminder of Newt’s foisting of blame for Columbine onto the liberal academics, liberal media, the liberal political elite and liberalism in general, who he claims shut down debate on the causes of Columbine. Yeah. Right.
We need to throw out political liberalism (aka liberal/secular democracy) because somehow if the state, academics etc don’t recognise that only God can tell people that it’s wrong to murder, then people will have no inhibition to murder. Sorry, God isn’t stopping me from murdering people; I’m stopping me from murdering people because I can reason that it is wrong by way of utilitarian ethics (that and I don’t actually want to murder people.)
Conclusion
Ham, D’Souza and Gingrich; each waging a culture war against naturalism, modern science and liberal democracy. Each willing to exploit the victims of the Virginia Tech massacre for their hegemonic ends.
Ghoulish.
~ Bruce
Update (24/07/2009): Got really sick of seeing the title turning up in my stats. Changed it. Now less easy to misconstrue the adjectives as being directed so heavily towards the man, rather than the behaviour. May look into how to block the image from Google Image search as well. Not ashamed of it. Just not happy with the way traffic is being directed to this post – the emphasis conveys the wrong message, I suspect.
Correction: Rather obvious spelling mistake in title corrected (it’s still in the URL if you’re that curious.) Additional piece of trivia – the spell checker in WordPress doesn’t actually check titles so it’s advisable to actually check them manually. If you care enough.











Excellent post. I was wondering when these “God”-warriors were going to start.
The latest chapter in the idiotic blame game being played by right-wing culture warriors can be found at (gasp!) Townhall.com.
“The making of a mass murderer– In english class”
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/MaryGrabar/2007/04/24/the_making_of_a_mass_murderer–_in_english_class
Learning about horror films and books, it seems, leads one to mass-murder.
Thanks for that, SJ.
What shits me is that some deeply religious types think they have the monopoly on morality.
It is possible to teach people a moral code of be good and just without having the fear of a potentially made up afterlife to scare you into line. It does however require time and effort to do it. Which is probably why they don’t even try.
“What s**** me is that some deeply religious types think they have the monopoly on morality.”
You have that wrong, God does have the monopoly on morality. If you evolved, how do you have morality? it has to come from somewhere. Evolutionistic propogators state “don’t shoot the messanger, it was Darwin.” all the time. Same thing goes for us, don’t shoot the messanger. Tell God if you are unhappy. Resorting to name-calling does not accmplish the agenda you want.
Regards,
Mike
You have that wrong, God does have the monopoly on morality.
Well God (if he/her/it exists) is free to turn up and make his/her/its case Mike. I’m not about to accept this notion just because you assert it.
If you evolved, how do you have morality?
Ethics by way of reasoning it, and preferably morality by way of the same. Although some people just repeat the morality that was given to them and pretend it came from somewhere else than the people who made it up.
As for the rest of that non-sequitur, um yeah, thanks Mike. Mikey wasn’t calling names.
Bruce, you’re kinder than I would’ve been with Mike.
Mike, every single sentence you’ve written is flawed.
I especially like the irony of your implicit admission that referring to someone as “deeply religious” constitutes name-calling
I especially like the irony of your implicit admission that referring to someone as “deeply religious” constitutes name-calling.
Well, I’d find that implication somewhat offensive, because I’ve some friend who are deeply religious and don’t mind being called so. They aren’t so insecure or so intolerant so as to preach to me of course, nor do they think that they have a monopoly on morality (Mikey only said “some” of course).
Mike could probably learn a thing or two from them.
Oh, BTW, I suspect he may be referring to my portrayal of Ken Ham et al. as name calling. I did call them ghouls (on the basis of them acting ghoulish) after all*.
* And on this topic, and I’ve been meaning to blog about it. I’ve come around to your way of thinking on what is and isn’t an ad-hominem, John. I’ve been meaning to write a short errata blog about it for some time now.
http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/gordonhudsonnu/Sillypics/photo#5159736150297393762
You’re very disturbed.
You’re ill-will towards Ken Ham is actually a testiment to how he makes a difference in this fallen world.
You want to accuse people of ill-will in defence of a creature like Ken Ham? Oh! The irony!
Amusingly, Ken Ham is such a nice guy he has even been sued by his fellow YECs. Yup, he makes a difference, allright!
On 31 May, 2007 Creation Ministries International “CMI” filed a lawsuit in Queensland’s Supreme Court against Ham and Answers in Genesis seeking damages and accusing him of deceptive conduct in his dealings with the Australian organisation. Members of the ministry were “concern[ed] over Mr Ham’s domination of the ministries, the amount of money being spent on his fellow executives and a shift away from delivering the creationist message to raising donations”.
You’re ill-will towards Ken Ham is actually a testiment to how he makes a difference in this fallen world.
A reductio of your argument is appropriate, Louis.
As my criticism of Hitler is testimony that Hitler has made a difference. Would you advocate for Hitler?
And what is your ill-will towards myself indicative of, Louis?
At the very least, I can deliver a Biology lecture on population genetics without screwing up with the notion of the fixation of genes (ala in-breeding stress). You should see Ham’s lecture on “types” of canids where he gets this concept back-to-front.
Ham may have a bigger influence that I have, but at least my influence as an educator makes the world a better place. A claim which Ham has no right to.
…and a shift away from delivering the creationist message to raising donations.
The man should have spent this time brushing up on his biology, at least in as far as evolution and population genetics is concerned. I have grave concerns about Ken Ham’s adequacy as a biology teacher back when he was one, but if he was any good back then, he’s clearly withered on the vine since.
I agreed with almost everything you said. However, this tidbit warrants a reply.
“And as for killing of the unborn; killing a pre-sentient amalgam of unfeeling flesh doesn’t count as killing a person.”
I guess then, that a person who got into a car accident and became a vegetable, would be considered a POST-sentient amalgam of unfeeling flesh?
How about a newborn? They’re virtually the same as an unborn fetus, being pre-sentient (actually they ARE sentient, albeit nothing more than a blank slate, however YOU wouldn’t know the difference between the two, would you?) The parents should kill ‘em off too then, if they deem it acceptable and necessary,
But you’d say that IS wrong, even though:
unborn fetus + newborn infant + adult vegetable = roughly equal intellect and/or awareness of the outside world.
Moral relativism. Just gotta LOVE it!
I guess then, that a person who got into a car accident and became a vegetable, would be considered a POST-sentient amalgam of unfeeling flesh?
A person in such a predicament isn’t pre-sentient. Do you actually read what you respond to?
Moral relativism. Just gotta LOVE it!
There is no part of my argument that is relativistic. Do you even know what moral relativism is or do you just copy and paste what the right wing blogs tell you to?
“A person in such a predicament isn’t pre-sentient. Do you actually read what you respond to?”
I said POST-sentient.
Pre = Before
Post = After
“Do you even know what moral relativism is or do you just copy and paste what the right wing blogs tell you to?”
Moral relativism: the philosophic point-of-view that there is no universal moral code which mankind must adher to. It up to the individual to determine what is right & wrong for themself.
I was simply pointing out that we both come to different conclusions on the same topic. I could have clairified that.
I said POST-sentient.
Which is then no reflection upon my commentary on pre-sentient living matter.
Moral relativism: the philosophic point-of-view that there is no universal moral code which mankind must adher to. It up to the individual to determine what is right & wrong for themself.
Ummm. No.
Moral relativism posits that no two moral propositions from differing cultures/belief systems/world views are any better than each other because one can’t assess them using a criteria independent of culture.
Simply lacking a universal moral code doesn’t make an ethical system morally relativistic. One need only consider all of the various schools of consequentialism – that lack a universal moral code, but which clearly can make statements about which course of action is better.
I’m not a moral relativist.
This post isn’t worth reading unless you’re a close minded bigot. Learn how to spell ‘response’ then learn how to word one.
Learn how to spell ‘response’ then learn how to word one.
The first useful thing a creationist apologist has ever said to me. Thanks.
I hate to be “That Guy”, but after reading all of that I feel that I can’t leave without putting in my two cents. Bruce, you said “that in a naturalistic universe (recognized not just by atheists), concepts of good and evil are constructed by humans.” So, if concepts of good and evil are made by humans, exactly which humans are to say what is good and what is evil? I hate to go there, but since the question of morals was raised, I have to ask. Who exactly is to say that what Cho Seung-Hui did was wrong? If there is an absolute moral law that says what he did was wrong, then there must be an absolute moral law giver. You can’t have one without the other.
If there is an absolute moral law that says what he did was wrong, then there must be an absolute moral law giver. You can’t have one without the other.
I never claimed there was an absolute moral law. There is however, a legitimate consequentialist argument against such murder. Ethics isn’t a dichotomy between absolutism and relativism.
You know, I started laughing when I read the first half, then stopped and started feeling really sorry for you for the last half. Then when I read the comments I then I felt really bad for you.
You seem like a really intelligent guy, but your hatred of God has blinded you. Blinded you so much that you don’t see or understand the points that your “opponents” are making. If you don’t understand them, then you look like a fool when you try to argue against them. I can honestly say, after reading your arguments against their claims, that you don’t understand one point any of them are making.
How can we have intelligent debate if you won’t listen to others so we can reason together? You have thrown reason out the window and sound like the guy on his soap box blaring at people with your cookie cutter arguments inserted into the wrong slots.
I know these are all emotional topics but we all need to calm down and actually listen and understand one another.
You seem like a really intelligent guy, but your hatred of God has blinded you.
Except in order to hate God, I’d have to believe he/she/it exists.
Why do you hate the Tooth Fairy?
David:
Here is your opportunity to explain them, then, and show where Bruce is misapprehending them.
John Morales:
Awww. But explaining it would take the mystery out of it.