Not happy with Foucault

2007 December 5
by Bruce

I’ve been reading a bit (and re-reading other bits) of Foucault lately. I’m less impressed than I was before, not that I was overly turned off or otherwise influenced beforehand.

I’ve also been checking into criticisms of Foucault’s work and if Andrew Scull’s criticisms are anything to go by, then English translations of much of Foucault’s work may be sheer rubbish.

Any doubts that might surface about the book’s claims could always be dismissed by gestures towards a French edition far weightier and more solemn – a massive tome that monoglot English readers were highly unlikely, indeed unable, to consult for themselves, even supposing that they could have laid their hands on a copy.

None of this seems to have rendered the book’s claims implausible, at least to a complaisant audience. Here, indeed, is a world turned upside down.

If the highly sceptical, not to say hostile, stance it encapsulates came to dominate four decades of revisionist historiography of psychiatry, there is a natural temptation to attribute the changed intellectual climate, whatever one thinks of it, to the influence of the charismatic Frenchman. But is it so? There were, after all, myriad indigenous sources of scepticism in the 1960s, all quite separately weakening the vision of psychiatry as an unambiguously liberating scientific enterprise.

But what even a weak translation does not disguise is the kind of evidence upon which Foucault erected his theory. Those thousand and more untranslated footnotes now stand revealed, and the evidence appears for what it is. It is not, for the most part, a pretty sight.

(Andrew Scull, 2007)

Now this reminds me of reading Windschuttle. Heavy on footnotes, but ultimately not understanding or using his sources in a sound, scholarly manner. Foucault erected his History of Madness, attacking psychiatry during a period when it was in-vogue to bag psychiatrists, Windschuttle erected his attack on Australian history when Howard made it in-vogue to lambast said history as black-armband.

Foucault had English readers who could not properly access the French texts to which he alluded. Windschuttle has a target audience who from my experience, by and large don’t actually read the texts he makes reference to.

Don’t get me wrong. I’m not entirely credulous to what Andrew Scull tries to say in his work. For example;

More prosaically, a new generation of historians, abandoning their discipline’s traditional focus on diplomacy and high politics, were in these years embracing social history and “history from below”, and doing so in an intellectual climate of hostility to anything that smacked of Whig history and its emphasis on progress. The birth of the revisionist historiography of psychiatry was thus attended by many midwives.

Still, Foucault’s growing stature both in serious intellectual circles and among the luminaries of café society was not without significance.

Perhaps that explains the superficiality and the dated quality of much of his information. He had access to a wide range of medical texts from the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries – English, Dutch, French and German – as well as the writings of major philosophers like Descartes and Spinoza.

(Andrew Scull, 2007)

I think perhaps that like Windschuttle, Scull shows a bit much nostalgia for Whig history and an anti-Continental bias (although not to the same self-compromising degree). His pejorative allusion to “café society” is a bit of a give-away, as is his mention of Spinoza without due mention of Derrida’s famous condemnation of Foucault’s treatment of Spinoza. Scull briefly mentions that Foucault responds to Derrida, but not what about.

Derrida was making similar criticisms of Foucault that Scull does today, albeit he started making them back in the 1960s. But this would make Foucault’s (French) environment a tad more critical wouldn’t it? It wouldn’t confirm anti-Rive Gauche prejudice as did the Sokal hoax. Given that Derrida is a philosopher of choice amongst “café society”, this omission by Scull should be taken as a kind of outgroup homogeneity bias against aspects of post-modern philosophy.

“Café society” is and was far more diverse than Scull makes out. At least he didn’t start making group-think allegations.

But I digress. I concede that there are serious doubts about the validity of Foucault’s body of work. But conversely, I question the assertion that Foucault is as influential and hence as big a risk as people make him out to be.

Also influenced by Spinoza was Gilles Deleuze. During the Derrida-Foucault feud following Derrida’s criticism of Foucault’s treatment of Spinoza, Foucault famously referred to Deleuze by suggesting that one day the 20th Century would be called “Deleuzian”. Deleuze, in response to questioning, said that he hadn’t asked Foucault what he had meant specifically by the comment, and brushed it off as a joke to irritate their critics.

Light conversation, or gently spurned compliment? We’ll never know. Such is the conundrum of interpreting dead philosophers.

But just how influential is Foucault? How often is a piece of work predicated entirely on arguments by Foucault, where Foucault isn’t made redundant by references to more reliable sources?

With criticism of Foucault’s work only likely to increase (not that Foucault was ever given a free ride by his peers), just how much damage has Foucault done to theory within continental philosophy, rather than just its reputation?

~ Bruce

14 Responses leave one →
  1. 2007 December 6

    Very interesting post. The final questions are very important indeed. I have read quite a lot of Foucault and although find his ideas original and important, I find severe limitations to his reductive approach. For instance, when he researches the Greeks as in the “History of Sexuality” he rarely touches seriously upon the most important thinkers Plato and Aristotle. This is a severe limitation. I think he takes for granted what Nietzsche says about them, or at least what Foucault thinks he says about them.

    Andrés

  2. 2007 December 6

    It depends how you use Foucault (or anyone else). If you asssert something ‘as proven by Foucault’ then you deserve all you get when he’s revealed to be a slacker. However, If you use his ideas as interesting ideas (whether or not they came about shonkily) then it’s up to you to something worthwhile with those ideas. I.e. then you’ll be judged on the merits of your own ideas.

  3. 2007 December 6

    Andrés,

    …or at least what Foucault thinks he says about them.

    After the treatment of Spinoza, I’m left in a state of “alert but not alarmed” about what Foucault thinks others say. ;-)

    Dr Steve,

    Very true. Using isn’t advocating. In part behind the sentiment in my second to last paragraph

  4. 2007 December 6

    But just how influential is Foucault?

    Not sure about other disciplines, but in lit/cultural studies, when I was an undergrad–immensely influential.

    I think the validity of Foucault’s work depends to a great degree upon how you approach it. Foucauldian theory as science? Category mistake. Foucauldian theory as a way–but certainly not the only way–of storytelling/interpreting history and culture? Far more valuable.

  5. 2007 December 6

    Not sure about other disciplines, but in lit/cultural studies, when I was an undergrad–immensely influential.

    How much were things balanced out with his critics (within the field)?

  6. 2007 December 6

    An added data point is this reply to Scull from Colin Gordon, which he sent to TLS but which they didn’t publish.

    It’s over on my blog (Foucaultblog).

  7. 2007 December 6

    How much were things balanced out with his critics (within the field)?

    At the undergrad level? Not much, but that’s probably because students needed to get their heads around his ideas in the first place. Of course, at least one of his major critics that you mention, Derrida, was equally influential. But only at the postgrad level would students really have had the capacity to explore the Foucault-Derrida debate.

    This is at Curtin, and over a decade ago, and I can’t speak for Foucault’s influence nowadays at that institution, nor how well his ideas were received at other institutions. I did sessional work at Curtin several years ago, after they had “revamped” the core Communication and Cultural Studies unit–in entirely the wrong direction, in my view. The lit. component had been greatly watered down, apparently to cater for student’s increasing reluctance to read books (and the unit was a course requirement for many students in other faculties–including education and science). So I was informed, at any rate. They had also junked a lot of the foundational stuff–Hobbes, Locke, Rousseau, Freud, Marx–and introduced Foucault far too early. End of rant.

  8. 2007 December 6

    Some disagreements here.
    I thought the quarrel between Derrida and Foucault was over a passage in Descartes’ meditations, not Spinoza (see Writing & Difference, ch. 2).
    Secondly, whilst Foucault may have been ‘bagging psychiatry’ at a time when this was fashionable, he was also limiting his ‘bagging’ in Madness, at least, largely to the period of the 18th and early 19th Centuries.
    Foucault uses methods of argument and evidence that are unlikely to ever be convincing to somebody Anglophone in thought as well as language, and so it doesn’t surprise me that some find fault with Foucault’s books. Nonetheless, I think’s Foucault’s broader contribution is to link discourse and knowledge with a range of authoritarian practices. This critique is particularly urgent in mental health, when the vast bulk of ‘treatments’ are bureaucratic, consumeristic or authoritarian to this day.
    Having saids all that, I disagree with much of Foucault’s work, and think that most of his followers churn out nothing but rubbish and egregious, self-serving misreadings of his work.
    I don’t think Foucault is indicative of ‘Continental philosophy’ any more than we would hold up Derrida, or Kant, or Nietzsche as exemplars. If ‘damage’ has been done, its by pretentious gits in lit-crit depts who’ve intellectually overstretched themselves.

  9. 2007 December 6

    I thought the quarrel between Derrida and Foucault was over a passage in Descartes’ meditations, not Spinoza…

    Maybe we are both right. I’ll have to do more reading and re-reading. Or perhaps Jeremy could enlighten us.

    Foucault uses methods of argument and evidence that are unlikely to ever be convincing to somebody Anglophone in thought as well as language…

    You are so touching upon another topic I wan’t to talk about; mainly Piaget, constructivism, private symbols and (weak) Sapir-Whorf. If you saw my entry in the earliest memory meme, I can remember contemplating solipsism at around 9 months of age.

    Do you think my thoughts Anglophone or otherwise? ;-)

    If ‘damage’ has been done, its by pretentious gits in lit-crit depts who’ve intellectually overstretched themselves.

    Hap vs AV! Fight! Fight! Fight! ;-)

  10. 2007 December 6

    Do you think my thoughts Anglophone or otherwise?

    Reminds me of a debate I had with Jen once over “Western” modes of thought or something like that.

  11. 2007 December 6

    Hap vs AV! Fight! Fight! Fight!

    Not really: I agree in principle with the thesis that it is possible for “lit-crit” (an unseemingly NewsCorp adjective though that may be) academics to overreach themselves. You only have to consider the Sokal Hoax, or Steve Fuller’s participation in the Dover ID trial. (OK–Fuller’s field isn’t literature, but he’s still “pomo.”)

  12. 2007 December 8

    I was probably being a bit flippant with my lit-crit reference.

    I’ve always found Foucault’s weakest work to be his essays on literary or artistic criticism. As a result, I’m surprised at the enthusiasm of some academics in ‘using’ Foucault.

    Also, Foucault was in some sense ‘empirical’, but not in the manner that is considered ’scientific’ in most of the humanities these days. It’s probably too lengthy a discussion for a blog comment, but Foucault’s relation to various empirical studies in anthropoogy, critical psychology, cultural studies, etc, is complex and problematic.

  13. 2008 March 30
    trot's - sky permalink

    Foucault – Derrida, Benjamin – Adorno, Simmel – Weber…, each taken from the perspective of their own private culture’s is correct. It is we who compare, with our singular lenses, who thing to have the “Right of Inspection.”

    As we see the attributes of our own fields of power presented or re-presented in each of their works it is only normal that we embrace what we ‘support’ and reject what we do not; normal but not natural. Why not allow that each is correct in their presentations and observations, but that because of an imperfect use of metaphors, own incomplete understanding, and the lack of an conceptual continuity… we find fault where there is little and difference where there is none.

    There, ‘that is my theory, if you do not like it — I have others’

  14. 2008 March 30
    trot's - sky permalink

    So, my use of standard American English Grammar is not so good — to see who will find fault with the Grammar in the stead of adressing the theory.

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