Shameful science journalism…
There is a new way to sell science catching on and frankly, it stinks.
Anyone who’s been watching the Science versus Creationism debates of the past decade will know that various scientific theories, not just Darwinian evolution, are not well esteemed in the eyes of many (i.e. most Americans.) The UK has similar problems if not to the same extent and there isn’t really a part of the world where the problem hasn’t taken root to some extent.
There is a lot of disinformation out there, so a major challenge to anyone communicating science is getting honest information to people who have bunkered down for the battle against modernity. Or at least to those that have been mislead by the disinformation into a less antagonistic kind of anti-science paranoia.
Up until now, there seems to have been a continuum of approaches ranging between in-your-face scientific promotion and softly-softly.
Now there is a new approach. Take that piece of scientific information you want to pitch, then wrap it up in screed directed against those that have pissed off your target audience.
Inspired, perhaps. A bit like the way HIV and influenza use a viral envelope to dupe the body into allowing them safe passage to insert and have their genetic payload replicated at little cost.
Aside from the obvious drawback of having one’s science journalism being compared to HIV or influenza viruses, it’s patently intellectually dishonest.
The recent chatter on the Internet surrounding Unscientific America (2009) has been near-damning for authors Chris Mooney and Sheril Kirshenbaum. For the sake of context, Mooney authored The Republican War on Science (2006). Which while raising genuine modus operandi of political tampering with science by Republicans, seemed to lack an equally extensive critique of the way Democrats have done the same thing (e.g. studies of the human genome with potential medial application being bloody-mindedly misconstrued as being racist.)
Tumbleweeds and cicadas chirping come to mind when I think of Mooney’s critique of the unscientific part of America’s liberal-left. But then I guess that it wouldn’t be the Republican war then.
Not all the criticisms of Mooney’s 2006 book were fair, which is to be expected. This saw Mooney receive support from the likes of PZ Myers of Pharyngula notoriety, and more broadly from the American scientific community.
Unscientific America sees Mooney setting out to tackle obstacles to science and science education. Nothing wrong with that.
However, there is supposedly a section of the book dedicated to attacking the (sigh) “New Atheists”. If a Jewish journalist came out and started wailing about how moderate-Zionists or post-Zionists were detracting from academia on the grounds of an alleged ultra-Zionism, there would be an outcry. That Mooney, an atheist, has got on the whining-about-”New Atheists” bandwagon, it’s a sign that one should be especially careful when reading the book. It alludes to a political axe grinding somewhere out back.
While I’m not seeking to support (nor refute) Myers’ counter accusation of bigotry against “New Atheists”, Mooney and Kirshenbaum response seems lacking.
“This is a baseless accusation. Chris is an atheist, and he is not bigoted against himself, his mother (an outspoken secular humanist), or any other atheists. Sheril is Jewish an agnostic, and not bigoted against Chris or any other atheists, either.”
(Mooney and Kirshenbaum, 2009)
Does Chris identify as a “New Atheist”? Does his mother? Does Sheril? If the term used by Mooney and Kirshenbaum to identify an out-group is “New Atheist”, then pointing out that you aren’t bigoted against atheists is a bit like saying “I’m not an anti-Semite, some of my best friends are human beings!” One group (the out-group) is a subset of another and none of the exceptions belong to the subset.
Review copies have gone out (and the book is now out), and allegedly things are not good.
Mooney and Kirshenbaum have been called out on a number of distortions – namely of the “Crackergate” scandal and in making false generalisms about the philosophical position of the “New Atheists.” Apparently, there is no mention of why PZ Myers desecrated a communion wafer (to take the heat off of a student that had accidentally taken a communion wafer from mass and then received a stream of harassment and death threats). Nor the lengths Myers went to to mediate prior to the desecration of the wafer (asking for a condemnation by the church involved, of the death threats and harassment). Nor the subsequent, disturbing torrent of hate mail and death threats recieved by Myers.
That’s a fairly one-sided account of affairs.
Try finding the other side of the story from Mooney and Kirshenbaum’s blog. Try finding it in their Newsweek article where they lambast “New Atheists” in broad strokes. You can’t. If Unscientific America is this one-eyed on the topic, presenting a conflict entirely out of context, then it stretches my imagination to breaking point just trying to work out how the book can be trusted.
Then there’s the alleged straw-man of “New Atheists” jumping directly from methodological materialism to philosophical naturalism. According to PZ Myers, the portion of the book in question singles out Dawkins for collapsing the distinction between methodological and philosophical naturalism, which is simply untrue.
No, I change my position on Myers’ accusation of bigotry. I suspect he may be right. To Mooney and Kirshenbaum, the “New Atheists” are an out-group, not an in-group. Moreover, they empirically demonstrate out-group homogeneity bias by treating “New Atheists” as an undifferentiated group. Taking “Crackergate” out of context is just the icing on the cake.
Of course, Myers’ could still be wrong about the bigotry. Mooney and Kirshenbaum could just be very Machiavellian in exploiting other people’s bigotry. Which is the whole point of my viral envelope analogy.
Unintentional bigotry against “New Atheists” would seem to me, to be less damning. With a little honest introspection, it could be remedied – not so the Machiavellian approach.
At any rate, I’m not looking forward to reading Unscientific America.
Then there’s the sad state of affairs that has been popping up at New Scientist for a while.

Look, Ma! It’s not just creationists that can exaggerate exceptions to early Darwinian theory!
(Source: New Scientist – January 2009)
So what was the monumental discovery that felled Darwin’s metaphorical tree of life? In short, for those that don’t have a copy lying around and don’t have the membership to read the full on-line article, the (not in any way new) “discovery” was that the early, simple life (prokaryotes) on Earth didn’t have the discrete germ lines that relatively speaking, animals and plants do – they swapped genetic material. Which is to say that the roots of Darwin’s tree were a bit more tangled than Darwin predicted.
There is nothing new or contentious about this. Any evolutionary biologist worth their salt and indeed, any competent undergrad biology student knows that metaphors in general have limits and that Darwin’s metaphors in particular have limits in as far as genetics is concerned. And even then, the claim that Darwin’s tree has been cut down, is still an extreme exaggeration. Even when considering other challenges to the metaphor (there are cases of lateral gene transfer between the germ lines of eukaryote species, although not with the same degree of infidelity as prokaryotes.)
At a high-school level understanding of evolution, which given the level of understanding in the non-scientific community at large, teaching the general theory as described by Darwin is fine, exceptional cases constituting extension material, early undergrad material or material for popular science books for more interested members of the general public. Dwelling on the anomalies at the fringes, while fertile ground for research, isn’t what the general public need to get their heads around at this point. Exaggerating the anomalies is worse!
It doesn’t take a belief in God to have a motive for these kinds of claims. The first person (or people – if at all it’d take a project to accomplish) to successfully down Darwin will be much celebrated in the future history of science. It doesn’t take a genius to realise why some people could be prone to fits of overstated accomplishment, like some homeopath trying their hardest to get Randi’s money.
Of course, the creationists lapped this distortion up. Barbara Cargill of the Texas State Board of Education tried to get the science curriculum overhauled in light of the meme that this New Scientist hyperbole set in motion. Then there was the Casey Luskin fiasco!
Casey Luskin of the Discovery Institute went on Fox News, amongst other things, peddling the tree of life disinformation that the New Scientist cover alluded to, in support of the anti-evolution campaign in Texas. YouTube user DonExodus2 was on to this, and pretty much nailed it in the same way (albeit in more detail) that I did.
In return, the Discovery Institute filed a false DMCA claim to suspend DonExodus2’s critique, and now the Don plans to railroad them on purgury charges. Go you good thing! And on the topic, check this video out.
All of this as enabled by the kind of hyperbole New Scientist has sold.
Maybe New Scientist thought that appealing to the prejudice of religious fundamentalists who loathe Darwin, would grant them access to an otherwise barred audience. These two examples of contortion of science (Cargill and Luskin) should show the hazard inherent in trying to sell the truth through acts of intellectual dishonesty. Confirmation bias will have them up and away with the palatable notions, mutating it in all sorts of comforting ways.
And now from New Scientist, we have Fern Elsdon-Baker, selling her ideas and new book The Selfish Genius – a play on The Selfish Gene – a book that presses the charge that Richard Dawkins has appropriated and contorted Darwin’s legacy through his gene-centric view of evolution.
So what does Fern Elsdon-Baker have to tell us about in ‘The Dawkins Dogma‘?
“The Selfish Gene’s message was that evolution is about the natural selection of genes, and genes alone.”
(Elsdon-Baker, 2009)
Ummm…
“But do we have to go to distant worlds to find other kinds of replicator and other, consequent, kinds of of evolution? I think that a new kind of replicator has recently emerged on this very planet. It is staring us in the face…
We need a name for the new replicator, a noun that conveys the idea of a unit of cultural transmission, or a unit of imitation. ‘Mimeme’ comes from a suitable Greek root, but I want a monosyllable that sounds a bit like ‘gene’. I hope my classicist friends will forgive me if I abbreviate mimeme to meme.”
(Richard Dawkins, The Selfish Gene, 1976)
“Genes alone” indeed! But I’m being pedantic. Let’s be charitable and assume that she meant “replicators alone.”
What Elsdon-Baker is really on about though, is Dawkins’ assertive use of metaphor.
“For reasons to do with how science is communicated, a human love of simple narratives, and Dawkins’s energetic advocacy of these metaphors, the public has been left with a view of evolution and Darwinism which does not truly reflect thinking among evolutionary biologists. This view also perpetuates the existence of “opposing camps” when there is no need. Worse, it skews popular notions of Darwinism.”
(Elsdon-Baker, 2009)
That is one bold accusation! It’s also a problematic one. Since when did the public get a view from popular science, the same view held by evolutionary biologists. You simply can’t teach the nuance of university level evolutionary biology through the popular media. You can’t fairly hold any author of popular science to this standard, including Richard Dawkins. As for the “opposing camps” part of the accusation, if one reads the article end to end, they are left wanting at least some evidence.
If anything, spurious accusations are a source of “opposing camps” amongst scientists and Elsdon-Baker need only look back to that issue of New Scientist from January of this year to get an example of poorly conveyed piece of dog-whistle narrative!
The effect of the environment upon the expression of genes is of course, as Elsdon-Baker tells us, of evolutionary influence. But it’s a pretty uncharitable interpretation of the gene-centric (or “replicator-centric”) view to imply that environment was ever left necessarily out of the equation, although one has to ask, does Elsdon-Baker mean expression down the germ-line when she cites Waddington or McClintock? Hmmm?
This simple narrative Elsdon-Baker is weaving makes it look like Waddington and McClintock are in “opposing camps” to Dawkins – perhaps she could give us a little more of that nuance she keeps alluding to!
There’s a rather brief mention of transgenerational epigenetic effects. Why is it, that when Elsdon-Baker criticises Dawkins for simplification, it’s still okay for her to drop jargon with little technical detail, leaving the reading layperson hanging? Without checking, do you know what a transgenerational epigenetic effect is?
A transgenerational epigenetic effect is a change in the phenotype of a cell or cells without a corresponding change in the genotype, that persists through cell division and ultimately passes on through to the offspring of an organism (and possibly on through further generations.) This can include for example, the passing on of non-mutagenic, but otherwise toxic, heavy metals down the maternal line, that alter the phenotype of the organism effected.
Did that clear your confusion? Would you like me to flesh this blog post out by a couple of thousand words explaining issues (or relative non-issues) this raises for a gene-centric view of evolution?
That’d be doing Elsdon-Baker’s job for her, but even then one can see the problems it raises for those in the business of popular science. Elsdon-Baker wisely opted out. New Scientist probably didn’t afford her the wordcount.
Why can’t we extend the same courtesy to Dawkins when he writes a simple article for the press or when chatting it up on the radio?
Elsdon-Baker goes on at length about lateral gene transfer, which while a challenge to explain in terms of a gene-centric view of evolution, isn’t impossible to be reconciled (as thankfully, Elsdon-Baker recognises.) A challenge to a popular metaphor is one thing, but to expect this kind of nuance on something like breakfast television, or public radio, is unrealistic considering the average lay-person’s background on the topic – it would take a series of lectures to get people up to this level, but then you’ve lost a large part of the public.
Reading her article, it seems Elsdon-Baker is unwilling to provide evidence to back up her rather unfair allegations and moreover, is unwilling to live up to the same standard she expects of Richard Dawkins.
It’s terribly disingenuous to suggest that Dawkins couldn’t write a new book, updating (perhaps “qualifying” is a better work) the selfish gene and extended phenotype concepts in light of any genetic and non-genetic anomalies that have since been discovered. I’d be very interested to read such a book, although I wouldn’t expect much change would be necessary from the original concepts – just some trimming of the verge.
It’s terribly disingenuous to suggest that those who have the time to learn a bit more about evolution, read Dawkins in isolation.
It’s terrible disingenuous to make a baseless assertion that Dawkins is somehow unappreciative of the limits of his own metaphor.
Indeed, Dawkins repeatedly shows an explicit appreciation through his Necker cube analogy used in The Extended Phenotype, The God Delusion and the preface to the second edition of The Selfish Gene – “Rather than focus on the individual organism, it takes a gene’s-eye view of nature. It is a different way of seeing, not a different theory… This is a two dimensional pattern of ink on paper, but it is perceived as a transparent, three dimensional cube. Stare at it for a few seconds and it will change to face a different direction… Neither is more correct that the other.” – Not exactly the language of dogma.
It’s terribly disingenuous (and outright unfair) to suggest that Dawkins can’t spend his time on other projects (i.e. biography of Darwin, The God Delusion, The Oxford Book of Modern Science Writing) in the meantime, even while selling science to the masses. Indeed, reading Dawkins’ notes in The Oxford Book of Modern Science Writing (sadly I don’t own a copy of my own), one is left feeling that Dawkins has a profound respect for scientists he has deep disagreements with (e.g. Paul Davies), in total contradiction to the “opposing camps” allegation.
It’s terribly disingenuous to suggest that Dawkins is simplifying science to serve some selfish, dogmatic ends when the limits of popular science impose precisely the same simplification.
And it’s terribly convenient to wrap up your information in a coating palatable to the prejudice of your target audience, like some intrusive virus. What it isn’t, is good science journalism. Nor honest – which should be intellectually terminal in a field that is supposed to value truth.
I hope things improve. If only so I can increase the size of my New Scientist pile without feeling like I’ve been duped.
~ Bruce











Nice, Bruce, though I think that was two blog posts combined into one!
I note you didn’t comment on the accomodationism/exclusivism lines being drawn during this latest event; also in the background are the advocacy of framing by Mooney/Kirshenbaum and the Templeton Foundation with its lavish grants.
Basically, the “new atheists” are being painted as intolerant, the framers are being painted as at least unhelpful and maybe even enablers.
I thought of cutting it into three parts, but thought too late. I could make it look like I post more often if I split things up more.
[Okay - this response gets long winded from here on.]
As for “accomodationism” – I think the term is still used far too loosely and needs to be ratcheted up into some definition people can’t equivocate, or use too casually. I see the current battlefield with the likes of Mooney running around in hysterics trying to auto-apologise and getting people a bit wound up, as a poor setting for the evolution of new neologisms (which in the case of religion-science accomodationism, is still, I think, new terminology.)
That being said, with one broad exception, I don’t think you can graft a liberal theology onto a perspective that recognises evolution as true (aka science.)
On the one hand, if you go down the road of supernatural intervention in evolutionary history, you position God as the guy who carved humanity out of all of the species that ever lived. Given that the history of other species that can experience suffering other than humans, is far, far longer than human history. And moreover, given the historical population of these species (esp. those with no descendents – who outnumber the rest) dwarfs the number of humans who ever existed, God as moulder of man also necessarily posits him as the ultimate architect of mass suffering.
To a magnitude that would make Adolf Hitler indisinguishable from Mother Teresa.
Only the ultimate uber-Calvinist, the kind that could posit that the mass torture through neglect of infants was somehow a moral act, could maintain that their God “guided” evolution. I don’t see too many liberal theologians putting their hand up for this one, even when it’s the logical product of their attempts to reconcile religion with science.
On the other hand, you have God living in quantum uncertainty, where quantum decoherence prevents him/her/it from meaningful (or coherent) intervention. You can’t blame this intelligence for the bloody history of evolution, because after the first few fractions of a moment in the history of the Universe, where quantum effects determined the large scale structure of the Universe, this intelligence became impotent (ala the quantum decoherence that washes the blood from its hands.)
An intellegence this isolated from humanity isn’t worthy of the label of “God”. It has no purchase upon information in the macrocosm, rendering it unable to care. And quantum decoherence ruins its chances to act meaningfully as a moral agent. I believe (from memory) that Kenneth Miller adopts this approach, without I think, fully realising its implications.
Now if Miller wants to believe this (or indeed, whatever he wants to believe) that’s fine. I won’t however, I can’t recognise belief in the “God” of quantum uncertainty, as theism – I think it a kind of deism. And you know me – I’m pretty accomodating (pun intended) with terms – if only to avoid essentialism.
Other than literalist-creationist theism, which I reject as being compatible with science for obvious reasons, I think moderate theism falls into these two discrete categories – discrete because the moment God steps out of quantum uncertainty, he/she/it is automatically implicated in a long history of nasty.
How intellectualising this argument could make me some kind of bigot, or indeed even a generally unpleasant person, I don’t know. So I guess by extension, I’d have to say that criticism of Myers et. al. would have to find some other basis for claiming fault.
As for “framing” – I think that’s just an artificial boundary imposed upon epistemic values to prevent scruitiny and preserve inconsistency. A case of rigging the intellectual tools to yield a desired, pseudo-intellectual* conclusion.
Adequate reply?
~Bruce
* I don’t mean to use this a pejorative against the “framers”, but when you sabotage intellectualism to produce a product that you market as intellectual, “pseudo-intellectual” is an entirely appropriate description of the end product.
Bruce, thanks.
Personally, I can’t help but see framing as a marketing technique.
Having read Elsdon-Baker’s book I can assure you her ideas are considerably more developed then in this short comment piece, or you blog post gives credit to. Part of the point her book makes is about the manner in which science is communicated, it contains a long section on the history of evolution ideas that shows how intermeshed many of the supposed evolutionary ‘camps’ really are. In essence she argues against a simplistic view of opposing camps.
Dwelling on the anomalies at the fringes, while fertile ground for research, isn’t what the general public need to get their heads around at this point. Exaggerating the anomalies is worse!
The general public is more sophisticated then you perhaps give it credit for, people should be taught that science is about anomalies and testing hypotheses rather then having it drilled into their head as scientific ‘facts’. I think from reading the book this is what Elsdon-Baker is trying to get at, that science is not a closed book and we shouldn’t allow old metaphors to restrict us.
Are you so worried about challenges to current thinking on evolution as you think it will give creationist ground?
Part of the point her book makes is about the manner in which science is communicated, it contains a long section on the history of evolution ideas that shows how intermeshed many of the supposed evolutionary ‘camps’ really are.
Her rhetoric working at cross-purposes to this stated aim. The way she communicates in the article does nothing to diminish the notion of “camps.”
…people should be taught that science is about anomalies and testing hypotheses rather then having it drilled into their head as scientific ‘facts’.
Since when did I state otherwise? Since when did Dawkins state otherwise? This isn’t even a point of contention! Indeed, if you go and look at what the RDF has been pushing in terms of science education, if you watch Dawkins in front of a science class, you don’t see him drilling anything into anyone’s head.
Moreover, you don’t have to teach epigenetics or lateral gene transfer to the general public
in order to teach them about hypothesis testing.
I think from reading the book this is what Elsdon-Baker is trying to get at, that science is not a closed book and we shouldn’t allow old metaphors to restrict us.
Yes, I rather got that. You haven’t told me anything I haven’t already picked up on (or addressed.)
But reading Dawkins, you don’t see him treating metaphor as anything more than that. He’s always been very open about his use of metaphor and its limitations, so it’s utterly dishonest to chastise him as if he hasn’t.
Are you so worried about challenges to current thinking on evolution as you think it will give creationist ground?
What on Earth motivates you to ask that? I think I’ve been quite clear in addressing the exaggeration of challenges as enabling creationists, while being quite explicitly accepting of the challenges in and of themselves (such as they are – it’s still all trimming the evolutionary verges.)
That being said, the creationism risk was raised in relation to the sensationalist rhetoric in the January article in New Scientist. I think Elsdon-Baker’s rhetoric appeals to a considerably wider audience – it’s not just creationists who have a chip on their shoulder about Dawkins.
The RDF confuses teaching evolution with atheism, which shows an alarming philosophical naivety. This actually helps brings the god issue into the science classroom. Dawkins did this himself on a TV program I watched where he attacked children’s beliefs in a Science class. If that isn’t drilling things into people’s heads I don’t know what is.
Mark:
This is your perception; it is not mine. It would be a very confused stance and clearly evident, were it so.
Can you adduce any quotations or citations that sustain your contention, or are you basing this on your own recollection?
Here are the two websites: RichardDawkinsFoundation.org
and RichardDawkins.net.
The RDF confuses teaching evolution with atheism…
As John asks, some quotations or citations. And just because the RDF covers the God topic as well as evolution, and just because they are seen as related topics, does not constitute a conflation.
…I watched where he attacked children’s beliefs in a Science class
If you are talking about his visit in a class in The Genius of Charles Darwin, then that’s a pretty grotesque distortion. He didn’t attack anything, he just prompted the students to question.
Don’t think I haven’t noticed you move the goalposts either, Mark. Your original contention, far more relevant to the topic of Elsdon-Baker’s book, was that of Dawkins drilling things into people’s head. As someone with a science minor in science and mathematics education (and who got a nice long string of distinctions), and having been in a science class or two, I know what drilling looks like and Dawkins wasn’t doing it in what I’ve seen.
Have you seen different, and if so, where? Or are you in the practice of making baseless accusations?
The Genius of Charles Darwin.
Ok Bruce,
Returning to the point about drilling, there are two issues here. First of we may have a difference of opinion about what the term means, a semantic disagreement. Then we have a dispute over the evidence provided to support my categorization of Dawkin as drilling things into people’s heads.
I grabbed the following definition of Drilling from a free online dictionary, which is an objective definition – not one based on your personal subjective experience of working in science:
v. drilled, drill•ing, drills
v.tr.
1.
a. To make a hole in (a hard material) with a drill: a bit for drilling masonry.
b. To make (a hole) with or as if with a drill: drills holes in trees with its chisellike bill.
2. To strike or hit sharply: The batter drilled a single through the infield.
3.
a. To instruct thoroughly by repetition in a skill or procedure: drill pupils in grammar.
b. To infuse knowledge of or skill in by repetitious instruction. See Synonyms at teach.
4. To train (soldiers) in marching and the manual of arms.
‘To infuse knowledge of or skill in by repetitious instruction’ is the most relevant definition I was referring too in relation to Dawkin’s behaviour. Of course I’m sure you where aware I was not accusing Dawkin’s of kaing holes in hard materials with a drill
Now for an example, I live in London and have come across a bus with an advert in part sponsored by Prof. Dawkin’s with a message about the non-existence of God. I’m sure you may be aware of this campaign and Dawkin’s support, if not you can find details online easily.
Given that an advert seeks to
1 : to turn the mind or attention —used with to
2 : to call attention in the course of speaking or writing : make reference —used with to
And the content of this advert was a ‘claimed’ object of knowledge relating to the non-existence of god;
And because the busses follow circular roots, or travel multiple times down linear roots this means people are likely to repeatedly see this advert.
I am able to conclude that Dawkin’s drills things into people’s heads.
The extent to which this impinges on his ability to present scientific theory on evolution is a matter of debate. You are of the opinion that his ‘attacks’ on religion is not a significant factor in his ability to communicate evolutionary theory.
You also take issue of me saying he attacks Children’s beliefs, I used the word ‘attack’
As this word is used on the RDF website:
“We even have to go out on the attack ourselves, for the sake of reason and sanity.”
Quote mine:
(My italics, bold)
The ‘attack’ refers to promotion as well as defending of science; the target is “organised ignorance”, not children’s beliefs.
As for “drilling”, you’re ranting overwrought hyperbole.
It seemed to me a relaxed exchange between teacher and students, but if you want to see it that way, be my guest.
It doesn’t make your case, any more than your quote-mine did.
PS The man is not the Foundation, they are different entities. You do know this, right?
I am able to conclude that Dawkin’s drills things into people’s heads.
The extent to which this impinges on his ability to present scientific theory on evolution is a matter of debate.
Debatable, yes. But it’d be a pretty one-sided debate, how his support for a bus advert impinges on his ability to present scientific theory on evolution.
You stretch the definition of drilling. If teachers drilled basic arithmetic by placing various sums on the sides of buses and relied upon them passing their students every now and then, they’d be laughed at for calling it a drill.
Further, in order for drilling to be problematic, it really would have to be Dawkins’ primary modus operandi, and in light of everything he’s done, pointing to support of a bus campaign as being typical teaching strategy is really clutching at straws, even if you do accept it as an example of teaching by rote.
Many, if not the vast majority of primary school teachers teaching with a constructivist pedagogy will still employ the use of drilling, but it would be profoundly inaccurate to generalise their strategies as being an example of drilling.
If the bus campaign undermins Dawkins ability to teach science, it’s not to do with him using drilling as his tool of choice. Rather, it’d be the politics of his participation in the act turning some people away from him.
But that’s more a problem of people’s prejudice and the way to address that is to challenge the prejudice, not to back away and tip-toe lightly around it. Such public prejudice and bloody-mindedness won’t go away until the subject of irrational irritation becomes normalised – which the bus campaign (not Dawkins’ brainchild incidentally) does in a way.
“You stretch the definition of drilling. If teachers drilled basic arithmetic by placing various sums on the sides of buses and relied upon them passing their students every now and then, they’d be laughed at for calling it a drill.”
Since when did whether or not teachers would be laughed at for calling something a ‘drill’ come to be defined as ‘drilling’. Certainly in the UK at least teachers’ reactions are not that relevant as to how words are defined parlance? You accuse me of making baseless accusations, so I provide some evidence that you then dismiss with a personal opinion about teachers.
Talking of baseless accusations:
“Reading her article, it seems Elsdon-Baker is unwilling to provide evidence to back up her rather unfair allegations and moreover, is unwilling to live up to the same standard she expects of Richard Dawkins.”
How can you possibly infer Elsdon-Baker is ‘unwilling’ to provide evidence – that’s a statement about the author’s intention, can you really claim knowledge of that? For all we know she was more than willing but only given a finite word count.
“That’d be doing Elsdon-Baker’s job for her, but even then one can see the problems it raises for those in the business of popular science. Elsdon-Baker wisely opted out. New Scientist probably didn’t afford her the wordcount. Why can’t we extend the same courtesy to Dawkins when he writes a simple article for the press or when chatting it up on the radio?”
Who isn’t extending this courtest? This article refers to his books, not something he has said on the radio or in a short press piece. This differs however from your own blog post which is just referring to her comment piece and not providing any evidence from the book the author has written.
“It’s terribly disingenuous to suggest that Dawkins couldn’t write a new book, updating (perhaps “qualifying” is a better work) the selfish gene and extended phenotype concepts in light of any genetic and non-genetic anomalies that have since been discovered.”
I agree but where does anyone claim Dawkin’s couldn’t write a new book or come up with a new metaphor himself? The author praises the Selfish Gene metaphor for being useful for it’s time. It is 30 years old, it’s bound to need updating. I’m sure maybe Dawkin’s might agree with this in a few years time.
“It’s terribly disingenuous to suggest that those who have the time to learn a bit more about evolution, read Dawkins in isolation.”
Can you provide evidence of who has been suggesting this?
“If the bus campaign undermins Dawkins ability to teach science, it’s not to do with him using drilling as his tool of choice. Rather, it’d be the politics of his participation in the act turning some people away from him.”
Yes but it’s only political because an atheist advert is an attempt to drill an idea into someone’s head. I agree the politics of his involvement is what is the most significant; he is making a political statement in supporting the campaign, so it’s irrelevant whether it was his idea or not. He is using his influence as a popular science communicator to propagate his own views on religion. His overt political, philosophical and theological arguments in many people’s view (based on my own anecdotal evidence) impinge his ability to communicate science.
The message he gives out is that science and religion are not compatible beliefs. There is chapter in the God delusion about Natural Selection, which again I would show as evidence that he confuses teaching of evolution with an argument against the belief in god.
John:
“PS The man is not the Foundation, they are different entities. You do know this, right?”
Of course, however the Foundation is called the ‘Richard Dawkins’ foundation and was setup by the man. Are you trying to suggest its key messages are unrepresentative of his views? It was you that provided the weblink for the foundation and asked for some quotes from it which I did to support my claim.
“Since when did whether or not teachers would be laughed at for calling something a ‘drill’ come to be defined as ‘drilling’.”
I didn’t make laughing a determinant of the definition, I infered that the teacher would be deemed incompetent to use your definition, hence laughter would result. Much in the same way I could say “if a maths teacher were to say 1+1=3, they’d be laughed at.” It’s not because of the laughter, it’s because they should know better.
And as definitions go, “drilling” being teacher jargon for a teaching strategy, I rather think teachers well suited to define the term! The fact that you treat this as somehow absurd seems astounding!
…so I provide some evidence that you then dismiss with a personal opinion about teachers.
It wasn’t a personal opinion. It was an informed opinion based on my own education in an area directly relevant to the topic. At any rate, you will notice that I did have reasons for dismissing it other than the definition of the word “drilling.”
Talking of baseless accusations… How can you possibly infer Elsdon-Baker is ‘unwilling’ to provide evidence – that’s a statement about the author’s intention, can you really claim knowledge of that?
I didn’t claim such knowledge. I speculated based on what Elsdon-Baker had to offer in her article. You will notice I used the word “seem.”
It can’t be a baseless accusation if it isn’t an accusation.
I agree but where does anyone claim Dawkin’s couldn’t write a new book or come up with a new metaphor himself?
I didn’t say anyone claimed it, I said it was suggested. The whole notion that Dawkins is holding discussion back through the popular, dogmatic representation of his metaphors rather strongly suggests that Dawkins has some a problem changing his metaphors. Or inverted, the realisation that Dawkins is willing and intellectually capable to talk about exceptions to his metaphor (which is really a no-brainer) makes the charge of dogmatism absurd.
As for praising the metaphor, I don’t really see that as mitigating against said suggestion.
“It’s terribly disingenuous to suggest that those who have the time to learn a bit more about evolution, read Dawkins in isolation.”
Can you provide evidence of who has been suggesting this?
You did read the bit in the NS article about reading Dawkins in isolation, and the allusions to his dogmatic dominance of scientific discussion? It does rather suggest that Dawkins readers get a diet of DAWKINS, DAWKINS, DAWKINS.
I agree the politics of his involvement is what is the most significant; he is making a political statement in supporting the campaign, so it’s irrelevant whether it was his idea or not. He is using his influence as a popular science communicator to propagate his own views on religion.
I think one needs to make a distinction between propagating his own views and supporting other atheists in expressing theirs. Dawkins has been (I think a tad naively) supportive of Godless groups who haven’t been in exactly lock-step with his views, and others who are in sharp disagreement.
Speaking at the opening of a group of secular conservative party members, supporting the God awful (ha ha) Rational Response Squad while the (much better) RDF was delayed in its establishment. And don’t get me started on Pat “ban the burka” Condell – I think Dawkins’ endorsement for him is in the process of backfiring badly.
(I honestly can’t see Dawkins supporting a ban on the Burqa – it would be logically inconsistent with much/perhaps all of what he’s expressed on church-state politics.)
I think these, far more than his support for the bus campaign, have the potential to undermine him. I believe that Dawkins has already admitted in various discussions scattered about the place, that he hasn’t quite got his head around the politics stuff.
Although it has to be said, none of this has prevented him from forming alliances with religious leaders to campaign against creationism in the classroom.
As for people getting their backs up about things, I don’t think that’s always a good reason to go easy. Sure, if things are drifting your way, doing something that encourages people to dig-in, or paint themselves into a corner can be counter-productive. There is usually a case to be heard for patience.
But if some people are getting their backs up over what is a relatively meek bus campaign, far milder than many religious advertisements that nobody is complaining about en masse, then the problem isn’t the political tact, but the perceptions of the audience. They have already dug their heels in.
At any rate, important as they are, these are all just political objectives his communication of science. They don’t constitute the dogmatic proselytising of The Selfish Gene or The Extended Phenotype. Which brings us nicely back to the NS article in question.
P.S. As a rule, I only go as far as suggesting things for which I have inductively weak evidence, saving accusations for when evidence is inductively strong, hence I shy away from alleging motives. Also, I’ve been ambivalent about the bus campaign, respecting the obvious right of atheists to have their voices heard as much as anyone else. The more I see the bus campaign represented as somehow shocking, while religious adverts are treated as uncontroversial, the more I’m leaning towards the notion that the adverts are needed just to get people used of the idea.
Ok so in your own words you are suggesting lot’s of things that you don’t actually have strong enough evidence to make a claim about. How is that in anyway an improvement on the type of low standards of journalism you critique News Scientist and the author of this piece for? We are clearly not going to agree on this one.
Mark, there’s this thing some of us do, which is to separate our opinions from our facts; Bruce is doing that. It’s an opinion piece.
But it didn’t, when I put the context in to see the subject; they’re attacking organised ignorance. It’s unambiguous.
Your claim remains an unsupported assertion, much as the rest of it is unsupported opinion.
Whaa? ?!
Bruce, your theme is… interesting. I admit I nested blockquotes 3 deep, but, still!
Jestro made the theme, John. I just live here.
The author’s piece is also an opinion piece on a comment page (comment pages are almost always opinion pieces), yet Bruce is critical because it does not providing evidence – double-standards.
Bruce is ignorant because he hasn’t read the author’s work, just an article that is published and edited by the New Scientist. How do you even know an explanation of epigenetics was not edited out? Because Bruce does not know the authors work very well his implications about what he thinks the author is suggesting is really more a reflexion of Bruce’s own pre-conceptions. Sorry if that seems rude, I don’t think your post is entirely without merit.
For one example Bruce complains that Elsdon-Baker does not explain epigentics in a press article and then says: “Why can’t we extend the same courtesy to Dawkins when he writes a simple article for the press or when chatting it up on the radio?”. This doesn’t make sense Elsdon-Baker is being critical of his books not his articles. It’s also hypocritical as his own blog post is critical of an article without having read her book.
The rhetoric of repeating ‘It’s terrible disingenuous’ to suggest – to set up a series of straw men about what Elsdon-Baker is getting at is itself disingenuous.
The author’s piece is also an opinion piece on a comment page (comment pages are almost always opinion pieces), yet Bruce is critical because it does not providing evidence – double-standards.
It would be a double standard if I hadn’t provided evidence. Everything I criticised about the article was either in the article explicitly or implicitly. I went through this stuff earlier, point by point – to which you didn’t actually respond.
All I have done is buttress my suggestions and claims with evidence from the very article that I criticised. There is nothing remotely out of order about that.
Bruce is ignorant because he hasn’t read the author’s work, just an article that is published and edited by the New Scientist.
And as I only speculated on the book and saved criticism for the article, this isn’t a problem. If I critiqued the book without reading it, then there would be a problem, but that’s not what happened.
How do you even know an explanation of epigenetics was not edited out?
How do you even know an admission that her whole article was satire was not edited out? In the absence of evidence of such an edit, it’s not unreasonable to assume that such an edit wasn’t made.
Retreating into the unfalsifiable to buttress your argument is a good sign that things aren’t going your way. You’re borrowing the epistemology of Roswell conspiracy theorists.
(Please note that I didn’t actually prejudice the notion that such an explanation may be present in her book. Indeed, I was quite deliberate in not doing so.)
Sorry if that seems rude…
I’m an open discussion before etiquette kind of guy. It’s abuse, or torrents of red herrings and disinformation that I don’t tolerate.
This doesn’t make sense Elsdon-Baker is being critical of his books not his articles.
I saw no such restriction to her criticism. The article was far more general when you recognise that she was talking about The Self Gene metaphor and The Extended Phenotype metaphor, not just the books of the same name.
The rhetoric of repeating ‘It’s terrible disingenuous’ to suggest – to set up a series of straw men about what Elsdon-Baker is getting at is itself disingenuous.
The fact that you return to these allegations of misrepresentation as if I hadn’t already responded to them (unless you’ve somehow forgotten) is disingenuous. At the very least they are points of contention, not established fact!
Did you forget that I’ve already responded to them, or are you just being careless with the truth?
I gave you multiple, explicit reasons why I rejected your “bus evidence”. I don’t think it at all unfair that you give your reasons for rejecting my responses. If you don’t forget that is. If you do forget, you run the risk of ad hoc intrumentalism if you continue pursuit of said charges.
Not the stuff of intellectual integrity. Sorry if that seems rude.
I gave you multiple, explicit reasons why I rejected your “bus evidence”.
I think your reasons where not very explicit, and were actually obfuscations to the debate which is why I did not go into detail refuting them still seeing as you are making the lack of a refute reflects on the strength of the points I’m making I’ll oblige you:
“I didn’t make laughing a determinant of the definition, I infered that the teacher would be deemed incompetent to use your definition, hence laughter would result. Much in the same way I could say “if a maths teacher were to say 1+1=3, they’d be laughed at.” It’s not because of the laughter, it’s because they should know better.”
Still I fail to see what relevance teachers have on this matter, from your personal experience you are able to make an inference that a teacher would get laughed for using this definition. Well maybe they would, but what bearing does that have on how the word is used in common parlance rather than say the limited contextual example you have provided.
Next point:
“You did read the bit in the NS article about reading Dawkins in isolation, and the allusions to his dogmatic dominance of scientific discussion? It does rather suggest that Dawkins readers get a diet of DAWKINS, DAWKINS, DAWKINS.”
You mean this bit?
“Take heredity. If you only read Dawkins, you might think that the case has long been closed on how it works. In fact, there are competing perspectives stretching back over 150 years. Darwin himself was a pluralist and proposed a theory of heredity that allowed not only for the inheritance of latent characteristics but also for the environment to play a role in it. According to Darwin and many who followed, the environment could even have an impact on the germ cells: in other words, the gene line is not necessarily “immortal”.
It suggests that IF you only read Dawkins’ in isolation, this in no way implies that those that read Dawkin’s will only read Dawkins’. It’s a critique of the limited historical knowledge he gives readers, so they are left unaware that it’s been an ongoing debate.
Last point
“I think one needs to make a distinction between propagating his own views and supporting other atheists in expressing theirs…”
If he is actively supporting them then he must be sharing some of their views. He’s such a popular name his support actually encourages ‘new atheism’, which carries along slightly unsavory tones of normalization along with all the euphemism such as ‘organized ignorance’ that accompany such forms of ideological totalitarianism.
By all means challenge Young Earth Creationist and IDers especially when they attempt to make pseudoscience claims, but his wider philosophical challenge against god, denouncing believers as delusional puts people’s backs up unnecessarily. It becomes a barrier to religious people learning about scientific methodology as their churches become threatened and react by becoming even more closed minded.
PS
You realize we could both literally carry this on untill we sent each other mad :p
Um. I didn’t mean my refutations of the bus points. I meant my refutations to the “It’s disingenuous” points.
You realize we could both literally carry this on untill we sent each other mad.
Not really. Before madness sets in, I think that keeping track of the logical structure of the conversation at once in one’s working memory will become increasingly difficult unless things can be compartmentalised (without losing accuracy). I can still do it but I can feel an end to my capacity approaching and compartmentalising is extra work when I’ve got other stuff to write.